The Tom Bearden
From: "Tom Bearden"
To: "A.J. Craddock" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: RE: James Watt speaks
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:22:41 -0600
Yes, could open it okay.
Interesting, since the whole notion of materialism, and the notion of the "accident of the universe" depends precisely upon the assumed random variable statistics in quantum mechanics. However, there is a little problem with that. There is absolutely no way in which the observed ordered universe can be obtained from quantum mechanics, with that assumption! Unless there is some "hidden order" down inside the statistics, then integration of little things that are totally random just leads to bigger things that are totally random. You never get any persistent order. If you integrate noise, you just get more noise. You don't get a Beethoven symphony!
In physics this is called the problem of the missing chaos (missing hidden order), in quantum mechanics. In other words, quantum mechanics is known to be wrong unless there is some hidden order down in there, because it predicts there is no ordered macro universe at all. So you falsify the prevailing interpretation of quantum mechanics, every time you look at a tree, the sky, your automobile, a beautiful landscape, the sun and moon, etc. In short, the physicist advancing the conventional quantum mechanics and its random variable statistics assumption as perfect, is spouting a model that forbids that he himself even exists.
I once told a physicist (who was also a dogmatist) that, if he believed he was just a meat computer and therefore a robot, I had nothing further to say to him because I did not hold discussions with robots. Understandably, he did not really appreciate the comment. One can be just as dogmatic and opinionated in science as one can be in religion.
Once two quantum physicists (each of whom fortunately had a good sense of humor) took me to task publicly while I was making a presentation on paranormal phenomena. They advanced the requirement for rigorous experiment, keeping only what could be scientifically observed, and all that. Whereupon I replied that, hey, that would also be a good criterion for science itself. I noted that time is not an observable in quantum mechanics, but only a parameter. Thus since it really cannot be measured or observed, by that criterion they should ruthlessly purge that metaphysical old time from physics. But then, they would have no physics left, would they? They got the point, laughed, and agreed with that. And they did stay for the rest of the presentation!
This prevailing materialism in science would appear to be the ultimate irony. If it was all an accident (scientific materialism's creed), then it couldn't exist macroscopically anyway, because quantum mechanics says so. But since it macroscopically exists, it is not an accident and therefore the hidden order exists.
But then if there is hidden order, it could not be there by random accident!!! In short, it had to be deterministic -- and that means a creator. There is simply no way to escape it.
Anyhow, I regard science as a model. It's a very useful model, and one we really need to keep improving. But even mathematics contains no ultimate truth, and is just a game. Again, a useful game, but a game nonetheless.
And there is no such thing as a perfect model; Godel laid that notion to rest long ago.
So any way one approaches it, there really is no escaping an evident intelligent principle that started the universe. Call it what one will, the determinism and the intelligent principle are there, inescapably, unless we wish to destroy QM, in which case the scientific objection goes away anyhow, because the science itself goes away.